Hitchens vs. Galloway ~ The Grapple In The Apple
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Hitchens vs. Galloway ~ The Grapple In The Apple
I must say I missed it. Having only now heard the pre-debate bullshit from the peacenik pacifist libtards, then Hitchens' opening kick-ass statement. Here is a repost of
Mark Coffey, who liveblogged it...
The Real Wrapup
Here's the bottom line: Hitchens laid out the case for Iraq in terms of a commitment to democracy and freedom and a stance against the jihadists and their theocratic dreams. Galloway…well, Galloway engaged in a lot of ad hominem attacks, dwelt overly long on the past statements of Hitchens, and never really answered the charges that he hobnobs with (and takes money from) dictators, because, of course, he can’t answer the charges. Galloway clearly showed himself to be an anti-Semite, anti-American, and a traitor to his own country, and if you think that's too strong, wait until the transcript comes out (I'll link to one when I find one), or better still, watch the debate yourself
C-Span 2 on Saturday. Hitchens clearly won the debate against the much-vaunted Galloway, despite having to overcome a partisan crowd.
(Play-by-play excerpts - typos included)
Jennifer Rush(?) - local Galloway coordinator - provides intro - leftist propaganda, as you would expect - Amy Goodman about to come on...
The video feed is very weak...three minute wait again...the whole thing was a half-hour late because of metal detectors...
It's widely expected by most that Galloway may run away with it, despite the wrongness of his positions, because of his oratory skills...Hitchens, of course, is famous for the pen, and not the mouth...we shall see. Hopefully Hitch has had a chance to quench his legendary thirst prior to the commencement of the fireworks, and will thus be loose...
God, just looking at Galloway is enough to make your skin crawl...
One of the sponsors is the National Socialist Review, a favorite of my readers, to be sure...
Wow, more Galloway propaganda...you'll all want to visit his
website here...
Hitch has some fans, for sure! The resolution on the floor: the War in Iraq was just and necessary...
Sigh...More Galloway propaganda...
Hitchens opening statement: begins with a moment of silence for the 160 dead today...
Hitch takes on some fool who talked through the moment of silence: I hope those comments were very much worth hearing...
Hitchens says he questions the assumption that only the pro-war factions have something to answer to...
Hitchens: if we followed the anti-war line, Kuwait would be a province of Iraq, Milosivec would still be ruling, Taliban would be ruling, al Qaeda their guests
H: if I had that record, I would be quite modest...
H lays out the case against Iraq: genocide, starving its people, imploding, Turkey would have invaded, Iran, Saudia Arabia as well, had Iraq fell apart...
Saddam is in jail, soon to face trial...Hitchens says some here will not take delight in this, but I do: it's a long overdue act of justice...
H: We acknowledge the difficulties, which are quite evident...the positive results:
Constitution debated widely in a country where it would have been death to question Saddam...
Kurds - WMDs not a complete bust - busted up Khan network, Qaddafi...Jacques Chirac: a man so corrupt he's willing to pay for the pleasure of selling himself...
Spread of Democracy - the demonstrations in Libya...we intend to stand by the Iraqis (Kurds?) no matter what...
H: This mood would be unthinkable if it were not for the removal of the worst tyrant in the region...
H: It is a disgrace that a member of the House of Commons would go to Washington, decline to testify, and insult those who question him...boos, Hitch says he will not take up his time for the boos! It's getting good...
H: The Oil-For-Food debacle - how dare he show his face in this town in light of the $11 billion stolen from the stolen Iraqis!
Galloway's turn now...
Anyone who can speak and feel this way is far beneath my contempt, and I hope yours...I'm pumped out now...
Galloway: Tries to tie Hitchens to Palestinian terrorism, says Hitchen was against War in Iraq in 1991...
Hitchens told 'gun nut' Heston to keep his wig on, asked him to name 4 countries bordering Iraq, Heston could name now...
G: Still going on and on about 1991...
G: Calls Hitchens a slug, leaving a trail of slime...wow, what a powerful argument!
Oh, boy, here we go: Cindy Sheehan...big round of applause...
No real arguments yet from Galloway whatsoever...
G: Hitchens ready to fight to the last drop of other people's blood...(that's a new one)...
G: Takes a cheap show at the dead of Louisiana lying in the streets for a week...
Galloway screams the whole time, no control over dynamics whatsoever - color me unimpressed...
What a weak argument from Galloway: are you with the foreign occupation of Iraq, or the right of Iraqis to be free...
G: Americans massacred thousands in Fallajuh...
G: Quotes the Lancet study! BwaaaHaaaHaaa...
G: the Neocon slur! What a parody of a leftist (and a despicable moral coward and degenerate to boot)...
G: Now it's blood for oil (or is it Israel?)...I'm confused...the last three minutes Galloway's been screaming at the top of their lungs...
G: England and America two biggest rogue states in the world! Scattered boos...thank God that jerk's through for now...
H: Admits he was mistaken for 1991 stance...
H: How can a man be a pacifist and stand by the dictator of Syria and praise 145 operations a day by insurgents?
H: Galloway praises jihadists who killed UN diplomats...who fight for sharia...big applause!...
H: Galloway is as revolting as Michael Moore comparing the jihadists to the minuteman...
H: the human toothbrush and slobbering idiot Asad, Mr. Galloway's new pal...
H: isn't it revolting to praise the killers of Casey Sheehan, and then to come to American and appeal to the emotions of his mother...Hell, yeah!...
H: takes on the 100,000 Lancet figure...absolutely shown to be false...
H: Iraq is not being occupied by President Talibani...he was born and lived there...
H: While the Leftists are masturbating over their Cheney fantasies, the Iraqis are fighting the biggest fascists seen in years in the jihadists...
H: We make no apologies for standing with the Iraqi left versus fascism...
Galloway again: Defends the Lancet figures, the hall is turning against him...
G: How far has this neocon rot gone into your soul?
G: Again appeals to Hitchens' past - because, naturally, he has no answer to the charges presented by Hitchens...
G: A shameless hack...his whole M.O. is to attack Hitchens personally...what a grade A hole...
G: No al Qaeda in Iraq before Bush and Blair...
G: Completely lost the crowd, blamed 9/11 on the Americans...biggest boos of the night!...
G: By their unending support of the Jews, the U.S. brought on 9/11...he's completely lost...he's rattled!...
Folks, no matter what happens from here on, Galloway lost, and big - if anyone tells you different, they didn't watch with any honest eye...
G: Again takes on the Jews, again huge boos!...
Welcome, Michelle Malkin readers...Galloway took a huge fall when he started bashing the Jews and saying the U.S. deserved 9/11 because of our policies...
Hitchens: That was the appeal to the cerebellum, was it? You'll excuse me for waiting, I was waiting for the other shoe to fall...
Hitchens: The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was probably a bigger spur to violence then free elections in Iraq
H: You picked the wrong month and the wrong city to blame 9/11 on America...
H: When you look at the situation in Gaza, of course, one wants to fly planes into buildings...why didn't I think that?...
H: How dare you stand next to Saddam and the Syrian despot, and say we brought on 9/11 with our own behavior?...
H: Iraq was a strange target for Holy War...is your strategy to avoid war by being nice to the jihadists? This is masochism...brought to you by a sadist...
H: Galloway met with Tariq Ali to discuss diverting funds from Oil-For-Food, and he will not sign an affidavit denying it...and until he does, I will follow him every step of the way...
G: Do you want me to run through the dictatorships you support? H: Please do...
G: Lebanon wasn't Democracy; now he praises the leader of Hizbollah...
I'll say this; a little Galloway goes a long way...this crowd is trying to support him, but even their support is lagging...
G: Brings up the Carlyle Group (sp?)...again with the personal attacks...tells Hitchens he should be ashamed of himself...H: but I'm not...
G: Says Hitchens did write like an angel, now he works for the devil...
First part of the debate is over...Amy Goodman says evil of Saddam was not the main goal of U.S. invasion, it was WMDs...did U.S. engage in active campaign of deception?...
H: That was not the only reason given by Mr. Bush, he presented a whole menu of wrongs by Saddam...
H: I'm not here to answer questions on behalf of the Bush Administration, but the President was right to do what Clinton had only promised to do...
H: I did not endorse the Saudi royal family, nor the Egyption dictatorship...
H: Saddam Hussein gassed his own people...I'm not prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt...
H: Colin Powell running for most overrated person in the world - I don't care if he's UN speech was a stain on his record...
G: Iraq invaded Iran at the behest of the U.S. (and people cheer! What kind of fools...?)...
G: I was against the Baathists before I was for them...
G: I was Saddam's biggest enemy! I?m the king of the world!...
H: I checked with the chairman of the Campaign for the Restoration of Iraqi Democracy, they don't remember you...if Saddam was such a monster, why did you praise him?
G: Falls back on Hitchens' 1991 stance again, though Hitchens has already admitted he was mistaken...
G: I worshipped the ground you walked on then! You chose the lesser evil...
G: Vanity Fair, the whiskey, and all your money changed you...were you wrong in 1991 or are you wrong now? How can we trust you now? Galloway again screaming at the top of his lungs...
G: If you're capable of such grave flipflops, how can you trust you?
H: Yes, we had some fun with Heston, it was all good sport; 1991 was not an invasion of Iraq; but I congratulate you on being absolute consistent in your support of thugs and criminals...
G: If it looks like a duck...oh, clever...U.S. has engineered a puppet regime and intends to never leave Iraq...
G: Halliburton stealing all our money...
Galloway screaming again now at the top of his lungs...now it's the fault of agribusiness in the United States...
G: What Hitchens can't stand is that U.S. agribusiness is losing
(????!!!)...
G: Stands up for the jihadists again, how noble they are!...
G: Only 6% of prisoners of 'resistance' are foreigners...
Galloway now compares jihadists to Vietnamese fighting for freedom...this guy is a real piece of work...
Galloway quotes Juan Cole, calls him more cerebral than Hitchens (scattered boos at the mention of Cole)...
G: Iraqis want the occupation to end: Get used to it, get over it, or you're fooling yourself...
G: when asked if forces should leave immediately, states yes...
H: Thanks Galloway for restating his support of the murderers and beheaders...
H: Even Cole (though he changes his mind once a week) admits that Sistani is Iraqi's spiritual leader, and he favors this transition to a democratic Iraq, as do the Iraqi people...
H: Shame on the people who call this a liberation movement...
Amy Goodman: What about New Orleans? Get ready for a Hitch moment...
H: The President can't order troops into Louisiana unless ordered to by Governor...there were more than enough troops...they weren't order in in time...aren't you proud of Honore?...
H: I'm not going to let Galloway call me racist...for people to pump out propaganda before the bodies are even recovered...to say that these people died because they were black...that they died because we're helping Arabs (mass boos - Hitchens' worst point - so I was wrong again)...
G: Hitchens is a monkey and an apologist for the Bush family - goes after Barbara Bush for her 'underprivileged' comment...
G: Calls Hitchens a court jester...not of Camelot...but of Barbara Bush, "the Marie Antoinette of modern politics"...
H: I didn't defend Barbara Bush...but I won't go to a poor Louisianan and say "Did you know the Arabs stole your money?"...Hitchens warns audience not to jeer the U. S. soldiers...
H: What I say doesn't require your endorsement or your animal noises?...
H: Are you in favor of abandoning Afghanistan to the warlords?
G: It's already happened...
H: We must treat enemies like enemies...not surrendering to the whims of a courtier to dictators...I would never do that...and this man comes straight from embracing this murderers and blame you for what is happening...
Amy Goodman: Christopher Hitchens, is the media friendlier since you've changed your views? H: I frankly think that's a waste of a question...
G: I think this debate is running out of steam...we needn't get any more belligerent towards each other...the most reasonable thing he's said all night...
Galloway appears to be wrapping up, claims the left represents the American mainstream, says Hitchens is trying to conjure up a false picture of Iraq; Iraq is getting worse...
G: Bush and Blair have put religious fundamentalists in power; believe me, Sistani is an Islamic fundamentalist...
G: If either the U. S. or its friend Israel (amazing how anti-Semitic the Left has become) attacks Iran...blah, blah...we have more people who hate us now...
G: This war on Iraq is a disaster: when Talleyrand was told of the murder of a political opponent, an aide said, it's a terrible crime! Talleyrand said it's worse than a crime, it's a blunder...
G: ...ridiculous spectacle of this popinjay who continues to support the war...
H: ...don't mind being called a popinjay, since a popinjay is a target...
H: I don't mind losing the support of the MoveOn.org crowd to take solidarity with the Iraqis...I don't take orders from Michael Moore, nor Oil-For-Food money...ladies and gentlemen, you will feel better about yourself if you help the Iraqis...you'll look on with regret if you support those who sabotage Iraq...
And it's over, folks! Final thoughts: Galloway started weak, ended stronger, and the opposite for Hitchens...but Galloway blundered tremendously with his Jew-baiting and 9/11 is the fault of Americans tactic, and that was the overwhelming misstep of the evening. Give it to Hitchens...and thanks for dropping by!...
First 40 minutes are stalling and bullshit, and Hitchens' opening statement... A HOME RUN, RIGHT OFF THE BAT! ~
Hitchens vs. Galloway ~ The Grapple In The Apple ([LONG] Audio clip)
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at 3:30 AM EDT
Updated: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:34 AM EDT